Media ID 0010-A
NightTime Talk (8 August 1985) on Radio Pacific with Lou Sheldon and Ian Scott about the Homosexual Law Reform Bill (talkback)
Graeme Colman, Ian Scott, Lou Sheldon, talkback callers, unidentified speakers
Sound quality - recorded off the radio, refer also to 0010-B
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Radio Pacific Auckland promo.. why listeners listen.
Graeme Colman - background on Law Reform Bill (illegal since 1886), gay vigilantly groups, school children intimidated..
Lou Sheldon – things are going well, death threats, the lesbian who got violent at me
Sheldon - Gay Power Militants taking over church, an act of war
Colman – death threats
Ian Scott – if you come into a country and stir you’ll get a reaction
Scott – I’m happy for Mr Sheldon to speak
Scott– If you set out to inflame people.. people will get upset.
Sheldon – Traditional values – God, family, property..
Colman - How much are you involved in Church politics
Sheldon – there’s been a misperception in the US.. church and state
Sheldon - Moral decay – pornography, homosexuality, we’ve become a lobbying organisation.
Sheldon – the basis for Western civilisation, man is a created creature.. the family is viewed as Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.
Scott – homosexuality is not opposed to families.. my 12 year old daughter.. my parents are listening tonight, they’re supportive. Families are being invited to disown their homosexual children.
Sheldon – Ian has made a conscious decision to be a homosexual.
Scott – how are we going to operate here.. we’ve got another 3.5 hours..
Colman – no personal abuse tonight please
Scott – we do not choose to be homosexual.. you’d have to be a bit crazy to decide to be gay.
Sheldon – homosexuality is a preference, orientation, it’s a learned behaviour
Caller: Dawn - support for Dr. Scott, “I’m a Christian with gay friends who aren’t anti-family”.. lies: homosexuality taught in schools, child molestation.
Sheldon – the old principal of the “foot in the door” – first it’s this, then it’s that. Alternative lifestyles are being taught now in California.
Caller: Dawn - heterosexuals also commit crimes.
Sheldon – the intent of the Bill is one thing, the impact is another.
Scott – the Bill does not put children more at risk, it does not promote homosexuality in education
Caller: Joan -I’m a doctor and haven’t noticed any difference with homosexuals. How many does Sheldon know?
Sheldon – I don’t have homosexual family members or friends. I have helped many to go straight
Sheldon – anal intercourse – graphic description..
Caller: Joan - you’re just too dogmatic.
Sheldon – homosexuality isn’t a ladies tea gathering, you’re talking about violent, erotic things..
Caller: Joan - heterosexual sex is dangerous too.. it’s just as valid a love
Sheldon – They’re human beings, but it’s not normal .. Gay’s can’t emigrate to the US, armed-forces, they are a real security risk.
Scott – there were a whole lot of gay soldiers.. the reason why we’re not allowed in the army is..
Sheldon - 750,000 have said No to anal intercourse
Scott – if you’ve signed the petition and want to get off it write to your MP.. Joan wasn’t talking about penis/anus, sodomy
Caller: James - Christian charity, Sheldon is picking on one side of society
Sheldon – WE did not raise the issue of Law 142 – Sodomy .. penetration
Caller: James - I believe there are many good homosexuals, we shouldn’t be signaling out one group of people.
Sheldon – you started it, we’re going to finish it!
Scott – this Bill is not just about sodomy.
Caller: James - AIDS will take over the world.
Sheldon – you’re raising the level of emotion.. this issue was raised by the homosexual community
Scott – you can’t have rational discussion with people like Keith Hay.. I’ve sung with him around the piano