Media ID 0035-B
Public meeting (1985) at the Wainui Branch of the Labour Party Waitemata, about the Homosexual Law Reform Bill
Barry Reed, Fran Wilde, Keith Hay, unidentified speakers
Sound quality - distant voices due to public meeting. Refer also to 0035-A
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Wainui Branch of the Labour Party (Waitemata, Auckland) – Public Meeting in 1985 (speakers are quite distant sounding)
Fran Wilde – (quoting) Sexual preference was established early in life.. orientation.. We shouldn’t confuse homosexuality with pedophilia.. recruitment and seduction are rubbish
(large applause for Fran Wilde)
Keith Hay - Ladies and Gentlemen I come here tonight for one thing – this Bill.. I haven’t needed to condemn individuals.. Thanks to the Chairman.. It is about time we had more of these meetings.. One of the weaknesses of this Bill is that it is being supported by somebody that is not a legally solicitor.
Hay – The most important thing in my life has been the development of a family unit.
Hay - I completely and utterly object to this Bill..(applause).. It’s not about the individual.. Many laws in New Zealand need to be reviewed and revised ..Three quarters of a million people have signed a petition against this Bill because it is wrongly conceived.. Any politicians that support this Bill will not be re-elected.. We are not going to tolerate the standards of this country being lowered any further.
Hay - I’ve brought a family man along with me – Mr Barry Reed..
Barry Reed - I represent the people that signed the petition..
Reed - There’s a movement in this nation.. Most politicians and media have missed what’s going on .. The people are saying ‘We’ve had enough .. (applause).. I’m a fundamentalist Bible believing Christian.. It should be called the ‘Bill to legalize sodomy’.. what right do you have to inflict on New Zealand no morals.
Reed - The Bill is currently before Select Committee.. we have only had hysterical comments from Fran Wilde.. We the people of New Zealand have a right too and I’m speaking for the silent majority.
Reed - I have been disturbed at the constant attacks in the media against anyone who stands up against this Bill..
Reed – Let us address the Bill itself.. Sodomy under 16.. This Bill tries to legalize sodomy.. age of consent .. a girl at the age of 16 is following a natural path.
Reed - Let me tell you what sodomy is .. AIDS is a disease of the bowl .. There have been ten notified case of AIDS today
Reed - This Bill wants to put homosexual practice on a par with heterosexual practice
Reed – Part Two of the Bill – Discrimination .. example ..under the new Human Rights Act we will not be able to discriminate.
Reed - 750,000 New Zealanders don’t want this and it will not become law! (applause)
Reed – Age of consent argument ..definitions.. Scouts Association…It used to be twelve but it was the Salvation Army that got it up to sixteen.. List of things you can’t do at age sixteen.
Reed - What right do these people have to inflict no morals upon a community.. historic petition.. There is a way that Fran Wilde can get this into law - by destroying the fine fabric of democracy in the process.. This country is not the private playground of men and women who live in the night.
Reed - You are not born a homosexual.. It’s a lie.. There is a way out - the Bible teaches that homosexuals can be delivered..
Reed - Homosexuals want us to take responsibility for their actions.. AIDS has bought homosexual acts into the public place.. There will be an increase in homosexuals if this Bill is passed.
Reed – My time is up, but I’ll just say the campaign against the Bill is for God, the family and this country (applause)
Question - The current law is being broken every day..
The only thing that is illegal is the act of sodomy..
Question - Why do you not use your organizational skills and money to prevent rapes of females from heterosexual males.
Keith Hay – Enough is Enough.. we’re going to look at the whole of the moral standards in New Zealand
Hay -We live in a democratic society .. what was the question
Question - Fran Wilde are you in the immoral minority?
Fran Wilde - My understanding is that 750,000 is not a majority
Question - Were Michelangelo and Leonardo da Vinci homosexual sinners?
Question -Will you be taking the signatures of under 16’s off the petition?
Question - Are you really suggesting AIDS is a disease of the bowl
All the evidence suggests to us that AIDS begins in the bowl
If this Bill is passed AIDS will be on the increase..