Media ID 0184-A
Insight ’85 – Homosexual Law Reform Bill (1985) and Radio Pacific talkback (12 April 1985) on the night after the North Shore meeting on the Homosexual Law Reform Bill
Alison Laurie, Colonel Campbell, Fran Wilde, Geoff Braybrooke, John Lee, talkback callers, unidentified speakers
Sound quality – recorded off the radio. The cassette states a record date of 13 April 1985 – however other sources state that the North Shore meeting happened on Thursday 11 April, with this talkback session on Friday 12 April)
This summary gives general themes as to the content of this recording. It is not a verbatim transcript. Always refer back to the original audio. This is a working document and any amendments/corrections are welcome.
Montage from speeches in Parliament.. gay marriages are next..
The Bill is in two parts..
Geoff Braybrooke – the next step will be gay marriage and adoption of children.. the breakdown of society.. Militant homosexuals.. we shouldn’t legalize sodomy.. it’s evil.. it’s a moral issue.. Norman Kirk told me that laws that strengthen the family are good laws.. The only way we can stop this Bill is with public opinion.
Fran Wilde – Even five years ago a Heylen Poll came out in favour of change.. it is simply not an issue any more for a lot of people.. I believe it will be a nine day wonder..
The Salvation Army
Colonel Campbell (Salvation Army) – Let’s look at the scriptures..
Wilde – There are things in the Bible that today aren’t acceptable .. adultery
Venn Young’s Bill in 1974
John McDavitt – The gay community is not going to accept the age of consent being higher than heterosexuals
Wilde – I am rigid .. there should be the same age of consent for everyone
Alison Laurie – Age of consent issue.. The majority of child abuse is in the heterosexual community .. girls need equal - if not more protection from men than boys
McDavitt - Part Two of the Bill – discrimination .. Human Rights Commission Act.. We want protection .. Have you been discriminated against?
John Lee (Council for Civil Liberties) – The Act and the Commission have so far had a few problems.. There may be some practical difficulties in implementing the Act.. but the principals are important
Colonel Campbell (Salvation Army) – we would want to choose who we employ.. we want to lead homosexuals through that experience.. we may be forced to break the law .. alcoholism example..
Wilde – there will some exemptions..
Geoff Braybrooke – there is a sense of outrage in New Zealand.. there is no mandate for this.. it opens up a whole can of worms.. if this Bill becomes law I will seek a referendum.. This is an attach on family life
Wilde – if we had a referendum on everything that was controversial we wouldn’t get anywhere.. The Parliamentary system has safeguards .. Any Bill has five votes before it is passed..
McDavitt – When sticky questions come up Parliament has to deal with them
Colonel Campbell (Salvation Army) – I move around this country a bit and find a lot of people dismayed that this Bill was brought forward
Wilde – The Bill will get through .. but there is a lot of work to do
McDavitt – the gay community has been waiting for at least ten years.. We are entitled to be citizens of this country
Radio Pacific talkback (12 April 1985, the night after the North Shore meeting)
(poor radio reception) Hormone test for homosexuality..
Caller: Jean – Reading from Science ‘84 September issue – people must learn not to discriminate .. we expect everyone to be the same .. that’s crazy
Caller: Margaret - I feel equality is important for everybody.. it’s a medical thing, not religious
Caller: Margaret - Is there a rise in homosexuality? Fatherless families.. historic societies.. I was brought up in the Salvation Army .. age of consent .. when boys are around fifteen they have a lot of fantasies .. spread of AIDS .. The Salvation Army would take in AIDS victims.. they’re very compassionate
Caller: Maureen - I was one of the three demonstrators – demonstrating for ANZUS (?).. There’s a lot of protests coming up.. ANZUS, Springboks, Law Reform .. turning into professional demonstrators.. militant homosexuals..
Caller: Peg – I’d like to set up a scrabble club.. we’re looking for members
Caller: Molly – I want to talk about cabbages