Media ID 0206-B
Parliamentary debate (5 November 1985) on the report back on the Keith Hay petition against the Homosexual Law Reform Bill and Insight ’85 – Ex Gays
Alan Anderson, Fran Wilde, Geoff Braybrooke, John Banks, John Dobson, Merv Wellington, Michael Cullen, unidentified speakers
Sound quality – recorded off radio. Refer also to 0206-A. The earlier Parliamentary debate on the second reading spans 0213 – 0223
This summary gives general themes as to the content of this recording. It is not a verbatim transcript. Always refer back to the original audio. This is a working document and any amendments/corrections are welcome.
Fran Wilde – the integrity of the petition is clearly in question .. how the petitioners checked the accuracy .. Hamilton example .. only 22.4% were validly on the role for the Hamilton electorate.. six signatures all in the same hand ..Dr Paul Goldwater writes to Fran Wilde..
John Banks – these matters have been handled with obscene haste.. The principal petitioners feel cheated by this Select Committee.. the family unit .. the petitioners believe that this Bill will have a devastating impact.. they have been cheated..
Banks – The cavalier way that the Chairmen treated them.. I support the 800,000 New Zealanders.. In a recent Radio New Zealand poll – 80% of Whangarei people said no..
Banks – Manipulation.. It was a conspiracy.. this Parliament has gone down in the eyes of New Zealand..
Michael Cullen – The Amendment from the Member for Invercargill is a dangerous move.. It is inappropriate to undermine conscience voting..
[TAPE WOBBLE, REWOUND AND PLAYED AGAIN..]
Cullen – conscience votes..
Merv Wellington – why has a junior whip introduced this Bill?.. electorate surveys .. have they been tabled in the House.. to say that a petition with nearly one million signatures doesn’t mean much..
Speaker – the time has expired for this debate.. Vote .. division called for..
“Lock the doors” [general atmosphere]
Speaker- Ayes 34, Noes 39 .. the Amendment will not be agreed to.. Vote..
Insight ’85 - Ex Gays, National Programme
Homosexual speaker - I was proud of being a homosexual .. but I was never really enjoying it..
John Dobson - homosexuality is not a mental disorder.. homosexuals are like other people in society.. Homosexuals have a special problem because there sexuality is not accepted by society.. Kinsey figures.. We’ve got around 370,000
Alan Anderson – rehabilitation of homosexuals.. it’s like alcoholics.. if you don’t acknowledge that it’s a problem..
John Dobson .. Salvation Army .. treating homosexuals under duress.. One of the goals of psychological treatment is to achieve satisfactory sexual behaviour..
Geoff Braybrooke – I believe they can change their lifestyle.. it’s like an alcoholic..
Fran Wilde – Changing sexual orientation .. why should they
Homosexual speaker – I still have thoughts about going to bed with a guy.. As long I keep them just as a thought ..it’s like an alcoholic
John Dobson – if you accept that 3% of males are homosexual .. 370,000 men in New Zealand .. if you offer them ten hours and a hundred therapists.. it’ll take thirty years before you make any head way..
Anderson - God loves them.. God has an answer
? - It’s more a fervour rather than a healing.. preaching and condemning – that’s not normal behaviour.