Media ID 0251-B
Lou Sheldon (8 August 1994) interview and talkback on the Traditional Values Coalition and the rights or wrongs of the Gay Rights Movement (Radio Rhema)
June Dooney, Lou Sheldon, talkback callers
Refer also to 0251-A
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‘After 10’ with June Dooney and Lou Sheldon, discussing the rights or wrongs of Gay Rights
Sheldon – [continued from 0251-A] I think of Graeme Lee, Mike Moore who supports family values.. we don’t want to become a political party..
Caller: Dennis - Christian apathy .. physical disciplining of children.. how have you overcome the apathy of people..
Sheldon – we first created a key person in every church .. a public affairs representative.. we targeted churches.. disseminating information.. creating a groundswell..
Sheldon - politicians have three purposes – to be elected, elected, elected.
Caller: Dennis - Smacking of children legislation
Caller: Heather - I’m pleased to hear Lou Sheldon has started something like this.. My first husband decided he was a homosexual.. my husband died at 39.. cancer.. or AIDS ..children are being given the option of living it as a normal life..
Caller: Ian – church leadership isn’t interested..
Sheldon – find one other person.. have private meetings.. then go to the Pastor.. build that infrastructure.. the re-birthing of a nation..
Caller: Ian – people are afraid of sticking out..
Radio Rhema sting .. when the foundations are destroyed..
Caller: Ian – Church has to get back to basics.. Sin.. this is not right..
Sheldon – the church needs to assess the times in which we live.. he who is in the church is greater than he who is in the world.. Heather felt helpless when her husband walked out.. the church can do it..
Caller: Jan – how would you define the rights and wrongs of the homosexual
Sheldon – homosexuality is not morally neutral.. not like a person of colour.. the wrongs of homosexual – they have become so politically powerful.. they are saying that the heterosexual is a bigot.. homophobic..
Caller: Jan – how do I protect my children from my gay friends..
Sheldon – we’re going to have to become activists.. you need to get involved.. you need to be educated..
Caller: Brenda – working the system.. we did try and prevent the legislation.. we are now a secular society.. how do we address the siege mentality.. there is an awakening..
Sheldon – when I look back on the petition in 1985.. the problem is we didn’t build the grass root structures.. they would not have turned us down if we had the grass roots infrastructure writing to them [MPs].. when the people speak from a local standpoint.. lobbying the local MP..
Caller: Brenda – labelled as right-wing fundamentalists..
Sheldon – don’t wear it on your cuff..
Caller: Gillian – John Jamieson (former Police Commissioner) spoke to our church..
Sheldon – we’re networking with him very closely..
Caller: Betty – I want to wish you God speed.. privilege for people.. I’m feeling quite emotional.. a lady I know has gone into this lifestyle.. families.. if we could get back into real families.. I feel an excitement..
The rights or wrongs of Gay Rights.. are we fighting a losing battle..
Sheldon – no, we’ve already won.. I have read the last chapter.. never consider retreat.. we’re not in it to win.. if we don’t stand up for righteousness..
Caller: Hayden – I used to be gay.. a friend took me to church.. I’ve seen the light.. one year now.. when I was fifteen I use to have all these thoughts.. I’m twenty-two.. lead us not into temptation
Sheldon – were you molested? .. you fell into it.. are you interested now in the opposite sex..
Caller: Hayden – self-esteem.. it’s a long process.. I attend Christian City Church..
Caller: Felicity – on TV3 ‘Inside New Zealand’ .. Christians were throughout the whole programme.. there will be flack from people that made a stand.. International Year of the Family..
Caller: Vicki – I live in a remote area.. before I came to the Lord I use to mix with a lot of promiscuous people.. we can just love them.. they’re looking for the wrong sort of love.. keep praying for them..
Sheldon – Love.. drawing a line in the sand.. we don’t want Good called Evil..
Dooney - We don’t have a choice when we have things like the Hero Parade
Sheldon – please write us.. Traditional Values Coalition.. Promise Keepers