Media ID 0010-A
NightTime Talk (8 August 1985) on Radio Pacific with Lou Sheldon and Ian Scott about the Homosexual Law Reform Bill (talkback)
Sound quality - recorded off the radio, refer also to 0010-B
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Radio Pacific Auckland promo.. why listeners listen.
Graeme Colman - background on Law Reform Bill (illegal since 1886), gay vigilantly groups, school children intimidated..
Lou Sheldon – things are going well, death threats, the lesbian who got violent at me
Sheldon - Gay Power Militants taking over church, an act of war
Colman – death threats
Ian Scott – if you come into a country and stir you’ll get a reaction
Scott – I’m happy for Mr Sheldon to speak
Scott– If you set out to inflame people.. people will get upset.
Sheldon – Traditional values – God, family, property..
Colman - How much are you involved in Church politics
Sheldon – there’s been a misperception in the US.. church and state
Sheldon - Moral decay – pornography, homosexuality, we’ve become a lobbying organisation.
Sheldon – the basis for Western civilisation, man is a created creature.. the
Scott – homosexuality is not opposed to families.. my 12 year old daughter..
Sheldon – Ian has made a conscious decision to be a homosexual.
Scott – how are we going to operate here.. we’ve got another 3.5 hours..
Colman – no personal abuse tonight please
Scott – we do not choose to be homosexual.. you’d have to be a bit crazy to
Sheldon – homosexuality is a preference, orientation, it’s a learned behaviour
Caller: Dawn - support for Dr. Scott, “I’m a Christian with gay friends who aren’t anti-family”.. lies: homosexuality taught in schools, child molestation.
Sheldon – the old principal of the “foot in the door” – first it’s this, then it’s that. Alternative lifestyles are being taught now in California.
Caller: Dawn - heterosexuals also commit crimes.
Sheldon – the intent of the Bill is one thing, the impact is another.
Scott – the Bill does not put children more at risk, it does not promote homosexuality in education
Caller: Joan -I’m a doctor and haven’t noticed any difference with homosexuals. How many does Sheldon know?
Sheldon – I don’t have homosexual family members or friends. I have helped many to go straight
Sheldon – anal intercourse – graphic description..
Caller: Joan - you’re just too dogmatic.
Sheldon – homosexuality isn’t a ladies tea gathering, you’re talking about violent, erotic things..
Caller: Joan - heterosexual sex is dangerous too.. it’s just as valid a love
Sheldon – They’re human beings, but it’s not normal .. Gay’s can’t emigrate to the US, armed-forces,
Scott – there were a whole lot of gay soldiers.. the reason why we’re not
Sheldon - 750,000 have said No to anal intercourse
Scott – if you’ve signed the petition and want to get off it write to your MP..
Caller: James - Christian charity, Sheldon is picking on one side of society
Sheldon – WE did not raise the issue of Law 142 – Sodomy .. penetration
Caller: James - I believe there are many good homosexuals, we shouldn’t be signaling out one group of people.
Sheldon – you started it, we’re going to finish it!
Scott – this Bill is not just about sodomy.
Caller: James - AIDS will take over the world.
Sheldon – you’re raising the level of emotion.. this issue was raised by the homosexual community
Scott – you can’t have rational discussion with people like Keith Hay.. I’ve sung with him around the piano
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