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Insight ’85 – Homosexual Law Reform Bill (1985) and Radio Pacific talkback (12 April 1985) on the night after the North Shore meeting on the Homosexual Law Reform Bill


Unique ID

1124420625-76

Speakers

Geoff Braybrooke, Fran Wilde, Colonel Campbell, Alison Laurie, John Lee, talkback callers, unidentified speakers

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Details

Source tape

     

0184-A

Date

     

ca 1985, 12 April 1985 (the cassette states 13 April 1985)

Source

     

National Programme, Radio Pacific

Copyright

     

National Programme, Radio Pacific

Recorded by

     

Graham Underhill

Deposited by

     

Graham Underhill

Comments

Sound quality – recorded off the radio. The cassette states a record date of 13 April 1985 – however other sources state that the North Shore meeting happened on Thursday 11 April, with this talkback session on Friday 12 April)

Disclaimer

This summary gives general themes as to the content of this recording. It is not a verbatim transcript. Always refer back to the original audio. This is a working document and any amendments/corrections are welcome.



Summary

01:10

Montage from speeches in Parliament.. gay marriages are next..

 

02:05

The Bill is in two parts..

 

02:45

Geoff Braybrooke – the next step will be gay marriage and adoption of children.. the breakdown of society.. Militant homosexuals.. we shouldn’t legalize sodomy.. it’s evil.. it’s a moral issue.. Norman Kirk told me that laws that strengthen the family are good laws.. The only way we can stop this Bill is with public opinion.

 

04:50

Fran Wilde – Even five years ago a Heylen Poll came out in favour of change.. it is simply not an issue any more for a lot of people.. I believe it will be a nine day wonder..

 

06:00

The Salvation Army

 

06:14

Colonel Campbell (Salvation Army) – Let’s look at the scriptures..

 

07:40

Wilde – There are things in the Bible that today aren’t acceptable .. adultery

 

09:00

Venn Young’s Bill in 1974

 

09:30

John McDavitt – The gay community is not going to accept the age of consent being higher than heterosexuals

 

10:35

Wilde – I am rigid .. there should be the same age of consent for everyone

 

12:50

Alison Laurie – Age of consent issue.. The majority of child abuse is in the heterosexual community .. girls need equal - if not more protection from men than boys

 

14:49

McDavitt - Part Two of the Bill – discrimination .. Human Rights Commission Act.. We want protection .. Have you been discriminated against?

 

16:40

John Lee (Council for Civil Liberties) – The Act and the Commission have so far had a few problems.. There may be some practical difficulties in implementing the Act.. but the principals are important

 

19:30

Colonel Campbell (Salvation Army) – we would want to choose who we employ.. we want to lead homosexuals through that experience.. we may be forced to break the law .. alcoholism example..

 

21:30

Wilde – there will some exemptions..

 

23:20

Geoff Braybrooke – there is a sense of outrage in New Zealand.. there is no mandate for this.. it opens up a whole can of worms.. if this Bill becomes law I will seek a referendum.. This is an attach on family life

 

24:30

Wilde – if we had a referendum on everything that was controversial we wouldn’t get anywhere.. The Parliamentary system has safeguards .. Any Bill has five votes before it is passed..

 

26:40

McDavitt – When sticky questions come up Parliament has to deal with them

 

28:00

Colonel Campbell (Salvation Army) – I move around this country a bit and find a lot of people dismayed that this Bill was brought forward

 

28:50

Wilde – The Bill will get through .. but there is a lot of work to do

 

29:20

McDavitt – the gay community has been waiting for at least ten years.. We are entitled to be citizens of this country

 

 

Radio Pacific talkback (12 April 1985, the night after the North Shore meeting)

 

30:00

(poor radio reception) Hormone test for homosexuality..

 

31:15

Caller: Jean – Reading from Science ‘84 September issue – people must learn not to discriminate .. we expect everyone to be the same .. that’s crazy

 

33:00

Caller: Margaret - I feel equality is important for everybody.. it’s a medical thing, not religious

 

34:00

Caller: Margaret - Is there a rise in homosexuality? Fatherless families.. historic societies.. I was brought up in the Salvation Army .. age of consent .. when boys are around fifteen they have a lot of fantasies .. spread of AIDS .. The Salvation Army would take in AIDS victims.. they’re very compassionate

 

36:12

Caller: Maureen - I was one of the three demonstrators – demonstrating for ANZUS (?).. There’s a lot of protests coming up.. ANZUS, Springboks, Law Reform .. turning into professional demonstrators.. militant homosexuals..

 

41:00

Caller: Peg – I’d like to set up a scrabble club.. we’re looking for members

 

43:20

Radio adverts

 

43:45

Caller: Molly – I want to talk about cabbages

 


   



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