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Media ID   0204-A    

   

Parliamentary debate (8 March 1985) on the introduction of the Homosexual Law Reform Bill


Unique ID

1124421993-24

Speakers

Fran Wilde, Jim McLay, Trevor de Cleene, Norm Jones, Eddie Isbey, Venn Young

Related media

0204-B, 0205-A

Details

Source tape

     

0204-A

Date

     

8 March 1985

Source

     

Parliament

Copyright

     

Parliament

Recorded by

     

Phil Parkinson

Deposited by

     

Phil Parkinson

Comments

Continues on 0204-B and then 0205-A

Disclaimer

This summary gives general themes as to the content of this recording. It is not a verbatim transcript. Always refer back to the original audio. This is a working document and any amendments/corrections are welcome.



Summary

01:18

Fran Wilde Introduction of the Homosexual Law Reform Bill into Parliament (8 March 1985) The main points of this Bill..

 

05:00

Wilde It is ten years since this House last considered a Bill of this nature.. people have moved away from the knee-jerk, hysterical opposition.. Those who oppose this Bill advance a number of arguments.. Christian moral standards.. sexuality in the Bible.. historic context.. Detrimental affects on the family unit.. Another myth is that gay people are child molesters.. Children need protection from adult heterosexuals fathers, uncles..

 

09:00

Wilde the corruption of young people.. sexual orientation.. There will always be the same level of homosexual/heterosexuals whatever the law.. Homosexuals are to be found everywhere..

 

12:00

Wilde AIDS argument .. AIDS is not a homosexual disease.. many homosexuals in New Zealand are married.. casual sex .. If we are to effectively combat AIDS in New Zealand we need law reform.. I ask for Members to vote in favour of the introduction of this Bill

 

15:00

Speaker The question is..

 

15:30

Jim McLay Under National this Bill would not have enjoyed a high legislative priority.. If I had been here in 1974 I would have voted in favour of Venn Youngs Bill.. concerned about the age of consent .. I will not support this Bill if the age of consent remains at sixteen.. differing religious viewpoints.. A number of mainstream churches support some sort of reform.. AIDS argument is fallacious..

 

19:20

Trevor de Cleene - I speak in favour of its introduction.. Im also a practising barrister of the High Court of New Zealand.. I was brought up in a society which regarded homosexuals with contempt.. Judge not.. Ive acted in many homosexual cases .. I am sympathetic to the homosexual .. I do not condone the behaviour.. Equality in the law between males and females.. It was made illegal unintentionally..

 

25:00

de Cleene age of consent.. The Wolfenden report in Britain.. they use to be burnt at the stake .. Its a fear of many men that if they support this Bill people will point the finger.. The member, Mr Normal Jones, is champing at the bit..

 

29:30

Norm Jones Mr Normal Jones.. I begin to wonder if I am normal.. Gay the word is bastardised.. I have six of my own.. abnormal sex.. its about sodomy.. If the good Lord intended.. were not animals.. Ive got a list here that categorizes all of the Members of Parliament.. When weve got crisis after crisis in this country why are we looking at this Bill.. Telegrams of support.. where are the church leaders who spoke up on nuclear free New Zealand.. what about an AIDS free New Zealand.. To legalize homosexuality means were legalizing the spread of AIDS in this community.. age of consent .. itll go down to ten or twelve.. Im no moralizer.. Its not going on in the bedrooms - its going on in the streets and schools .. its spreading a disease..

 

35:00

Jones its hard enough to teach your kids now.. what is the best thing for our country.. this is wrong as far as the human race is concerned.. human rights rubbish.. Where it has happened civilisations have gone down the tube.. You are either for it or against it.. Its a moral issue.. AIDS increase..

 

37:50

Speaker warning to public gallery.

 

38:15

Eddie Isbey The greatest immorality at this time is the nuclear weapon.. I support this Bill.. Were debating an issue that is undesirable but is understandable.. there is also unacceptable heterosexual activity

 

39:40

Isbey Are we going to still hound people with different sexual orientations.. keep politics outside of the bedroom.. homosexual/heterosexual relationships.. Murder, rape, burglary are accepted as crimes .. should a human relationship be considered criminal activity.. There has been torment, torture ..over this question.. I totally support Fran Wilde.. I do not wish to hound people

 

43:40

Venn Young Its eleven years ago since the Crimes Amendment Bill was put before the House.. Its appropriate that we again consider this question.. criminal/moral code..

 

45:00

Young - A change in the law wont change the amount of homosexual behaviour in this country.. The law should not punish because it offends a moral that is accepted by society.. Im concerned about the sixteen year old age of consent..

 

47:00

Young Id expect the Bill to be quite different on return from the Committee stages.. We should proceed with caution.

 


   



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