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Media ID   0206-B    

   

Parliamentary debate (5 November 1985) on the report back on the Keith Hay petition against the Homosexual Law Reform Bill and Insight ’85 – Ex Gays


Unique ID

1124422685-79

Speakers

Fran Wilde, John Banks, Michael Cullen, Merv Wellington, John Dobson, Alan Anderson, Geoff Braybrooke, unidentified speakers

Related media

0206-A

Details

Source tape

     

0206-B

Date

     

5 November 1985, ca 1985

Source

     

Parliament, National Programme

Copyright

     

Parliament, National Programme

Recorded by

     

Phil Parkinson

Deposited by

     

Phil Parkinson

Comments

Sound quality – recorded off radio. Refer also to 0206-A. The earlier Parliamentary debate on the second reading spans 0213 – 0223

Disclaimer

This summary gives general themes as to the content of this recording. It is not a verbatim transcript. Always refer back to the original audio. This is a working document and any amendments/corrections are welcome.



Summary

01:10

Fran Wilde – the integrity of the petition is clearly in question .. how the petitioners checked the accuracy .. Hamilton example .. only 22.4% were validly on the role for the Hamilton electorate.. six signatures all in the same hand ..Dr Paul Goldwater writes to Fran Wilde..

 

06:20

John Banks – these matters have been handled with obscene haste.. The principal petitioners feel cheated by this Select Committee.. the family unit .. the petitioners believe that this Bill will have a devastating impact.. they have been cheated..

 

09:10

Banks – The cavalier way that the Chairmen treated them.. I support the 800,000 New Zealanders.. In a recent Radio New Zealand poll – 80% of Whangarei people said no..

 

11:00

Banks – Manipulation.. It was a conspiracy.. this Parliament has gone down in the eyes of New Zealand..

 

12:00

Michael Cullen – The Amendment from the Member for Invercargill is a dangerous move.. It is inappropriate to undermine conscience voting..

 

[TAPE WOBBLE, REWOUND AND PLAYED AGAIN..]

 

17:00

Cullen – conscience votes..

 

19:10

Merv Wellington – why has a junior whip introduced this Bill?.. electorate surveys .. have they been tabled in the House.. to say that a petition with nearly one million signatures doesn’t mean much..

 

23:20

Speaker – the time has expired for this debate.. Vote .. division called for..

 

24:20

“Lock the doors” [general atmosphere]

 

25:30

Speaker- Ayes 34, Noes 39 .. the Amendment will not be agreed to.. Vote..

 

 

Insight ’85 - Ex Gays, National Programme

 

26:27

Homosexual speaker - I was proud of being a homosexual .. but I was never really enjoying it..

 

27:40

John Dobson - homosexuality is not a mental disorder.. homosexuals are like other people in society.. Homosexuals have a special problem because there sexuality is not accepted by society.. Kinsey figures.. We’ve got around 370,000

 

31:00

Alan Anderson – rehabilitation of homosexuals.. it’s like alcoholics.. if you don’t acknowledge that it’s a problem..

 

32:30

John Dobson .. Salvation Army .. treating homosexuals under duress.. One of the goals of psychological treatment is to achieve satisfactory sexual behaviour..

 

34:40

Geoff Braybrooke – I believe they can change their lifestyle.. it’s like an alcoholic..

 

35:30

Fran Wilde – Changing sexual orientation .. why should they

 

36:20

Homosexual speaker – I still have thoughts about going to bed with a guy.. As long I keep them just as a thought ..it’s like an alcoholic

 

37:05

John Dobson – if you accept that 3% of males are homosexual .. 370,000 men in New Zealand .. if you offer them ten hours and a hundred therapists.. it’ll take thirty years before you make any head way..

 

38:00

Anderson - God loves them.. God has an answer

 

38:55

? - It’s more a fervour rather than a healing.. preaching and condemning – that’s not normal behaviour.

 


   



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