Media ID   0208-B    

Unique ID

1126150843-34

Speakers

Bob Moody, Dilys Grant, Jo Crowley, Linda Evans, Robert Muldoon, Rosemary Howard, unidentified speakers

Related media

0208-A

Details

Source tape		0208-B
Date		23 August 1977, November 1976
Source		National Programme
Copyright		National Programme
Recorded by		(Old LGRRC cassette)
Deposited by		(Old LGRRC cassette)

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There is more on the Colin Moyle affair on 0208-A

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Interview about the lesbian lifestyle (23 August 1977) – Linda Evans, Rosemary Howard, Jo Crowley and Dilys Grant. The programme is produced and presented by Lynne Alexander. Recorded at Radio New Zealand, Christchurch.

01:00

Definition of Lesbian

01:10

Jo Crowley – a lesbian woman is a woman that relates freely to their own sex..

01:30

Dilys Grant - We relate to women intelligently and physically

02:00

Linda Evans – Radical lesbians.. we’re fighting against the way that lesbians have always been seen solely in terms of their sexuality.. it is important that women should be able to live together

02:50

How would you define Radical Lesbian .. history being written by men..

03:30

Lesbian Movement is a political stance, not just sexual..

04:00

Linda Evans – living independently of men.. benefits.. abortions.. living in a society that is male dominated..

04:45

What are the numbers involved.. every women is a lesbian except those who don’t know it yet..

05:10

You can’t quantify the numbers..

05:30

As Lesbian Feminists we try not to relate to people in terms of our sexuality..

06:00

Linda Evans - Lesbian culture.. emerging and spinning off from the Women’s Movement..

06:45

I was a Lesbian first.. but for a lot of people they find their political ideology first..

07:30

I’ve been involved with Feminism for about five years..

08:00

Jargon – Straight, Coming Out ..

08:40

What is the difference between Gay Liberation and the Lesbian Movement.. definition of words..

09:50

Coming out.. hiding in the closet..

10:40

Word definitions - Dyke has a new respectability.. they were originally used to put us down.. but now..

11:30

Bisexuality in the Lesbian Movement.. it’s become very trendy lately..

12:30

As lesbians we have no models to follow.. heterosexual privilege.. The norm of our society is heterosexuality .. everything is geared to that..

13:10

Lesbian relationships have often been thought of as flippant and casual.. we don’t get presents, or set-up in a home

14:00

Heterosexual indoctrination..

15:10

Are there just as many stable Lesbian relationships? People are defining their relationships differently.. I don’t know that many long-term successful heterosexual relationships..

16:10

We don’t want to slip into the destructive couple pattern

16:20

Any direct danger from the law? women with children are in quite a lot of danger.. Lesbian mothers – the fear that under lesbian mothers children will become homosexual..

18:00

We as lesbians, all came from heterosexual relationships..

18:30

Lesbian mothers civil rights

19:30

The children of lesbians are fortunate to be around relationships that are really caring..

20:00

Discrimination.. myths – Lesbians are lesbians because they’re ugly.. an attempt to explain why they choose second best.. it’s a positive choice made by women..

21:00

Hormone imbalance.. there’s no physical change a woman undergoes.. she may walk a bit taller..

21:45

Speculation on sexual lives of lesbians.. any elaborate devices used? .. the myth of the vaginal orgasm.. to enjoy sex from a total point of view..

24:00

Female sexuality has always been curbed by male sexuality

24:20

Do lesbian relationships have a male/female counterpart.. Who’s the man? .. this is sometimes valid.. we have resorted to copy heterosexual relationships..

25:20

Women relating together as women.. role playing ..

26:00

Lesbian clothing.. women’s clothing is geared to relating to men.. women are now dressing more in practical clothing..

27:20

I’ve heard older lesbians say that they dress that way to avoid male attention.. identifying each other

28:00

Discrimination in families.. pressures on a young lesbian.. Coming Out was really hard.. my parents and I went through a really long time..

29:00

You can make yourself acceptable as a lesbian by not talking about it.. there’s a place for gay men if they play a campy role.. can bring out a lot of hostility in men..

30:30

Programme ends crediting who has been speaking [TAPE REWOUND]

Various news reports on the Colin Moyle affair [In November 1976, Robert Muldoon alleged in Parliament that Moyle had been picked up for homosexual activities]

32:00

Robert Muldoon – I was prepared to leave it alone after last night.. but then there were discrepancies.. I offered to table the police file

33:30

The whole thing is now stalemated

33:45

Statement from Muldoon’s accountancy firm.

34:20

Bob Moody – The Prime Minister and Minister of Police can seek information from the police.

36:10

Robert Muldoon sees the argument between him and Colin Moyle is over.. questions over Muldoon’s leadership..

37:10

Christchurch Press editorial on Muldoon’s leadership

37:40

Bill Rowling called on the Police Commissioner to explain how Robert Muldoon saw the police file.. .. Comments in the House.. Moyle’s effeminate laugh..

39:40

Robert Muldoon says the argument is over.. Moyle decides not to have the police report tabled in Parliament..

40:30

Report on the Christchurch Press editorial on Muldoon’s leadership ..

41:35

Personal attacks in Parliament..

42:00

Comment on the what happened in Parliament with Colin Moyle and Robert Muldoon..

42:50

Robert Muldoon – the debate.. personal attack on me [CUTS]

43:20

piano music