Media ID   0237-A    

Unique ID

1126151928-65

Speakers

Fran Wilde, Geoff Braybrooke, Graeme Lee, Merv Wellington, Michael Cullen, Robert Muldoon, Winston Peters

Related media

0236-A, 0237-B

Details

Source tape		0237-A
Date		9 April 1986
Source		Parliament
Copyright		Parliament
Recorded by		Barry Neels
Deposited by		Barry Neels

Comments

Committee Stages span 0231 – 0238

Disclaimer

This summary gives general themes as to the content of this recording. It is not a verbatim transcript. Always refer back to the original audio. This is a working document and any amendments/corrections are welcome.

Debate continues on whether this is an Appropriation Bill [i.e. A Bill granting authority to expend public money or to incur expenses for detailed purposes]

01:10

Chairman – vote [continued from 0236-A]

Speaker returns

01:45

Chairman – seek your ruling on whether or not the Homosexual Law Reform Bill is an Appropriation..

02:20

Merv Wellington – Committee difficulties.. revenue implications in this measure.. historic examples.. we have reached a point in the Committee .. will this cost the public more in tax .. maybe a burden on the people.. Department of Health reference ..

09:00

Speaker – has the Bill been altered in some way in which would alter the validity of the original ruling?

10:00

Merv Wellington

10:20

Speaker – come to the point..

11:40

Robert Muldoon – there may be evidence arising during the debate.. which indicates that if the Bill is passed in its present form there will need to be an appropriation..

12:50

Wellington - Department of Health’s paper.. AIDS.. Director-General of Health..

14:10

Speaker – warning

14:30

Wellington – if this Bill if passed.. considerable expenditure.. to combat the insidious effects of the law

16:10

Speaker – a point of order must be expressed tersely

17:20

Wellington – it is not the wish of the Committee to over-rule your decision

18:30

Fran Wilde – speaking to the point of order.. Merv Wellington has quoted very selectively from the Department of Health..

19:50

Winston Peters - evidence emerging that an appropriation may have to take place..

21:40

Speaker – where is the altered evidence that would justify a reversal of the Speakers ruling

23:30

Peters – evidence.. when this Bill is passed the gays from overseas will come to New Zealand for a holiday to celebrate..

24:20

Speaker

24:50

Geoff Braybrooke – This Bill, if it is passed, will affect the Human Rights Commission.. huge increase in the expenditure and work for the Human Rights Commission

26:30

Michael Cullen – point of order .. at this point there is no new evidence..

30:20

Graeme Lee – may I submit to you .. $9.9 million spent on AIDS

32:00

Speaker - summing up arguments.. I do not intend to alter the original decision -that this Bill did not involve an appropriation

36:10

Winston Peters – point of order..

36:30

Speaker – what Standing Order or Speakers Ruling are you raising

39:00

Speaker – you are bringing my ruling into question

39:30

Robert Muldoon – point of order.. if a Member is able to produce evidence at a later time will the Speaker reconsider the matter.

40:20

Speaker – this is a matter that can always be raised

41:00

Merv Wellington – point of order

42:20

Speaker – what remedy does the Member wish to achieve.. historic speakers rulings..

44:30

Speaker - I declare the House in Committee on the Homosexual Law Reform Bill..

44:50

Winston Peters – what is the standard of evidence for the ruling you have just given..

45:00

Speaker - I declare the House in Committee on the Homosexual Law Reform Bill..

Debate on Part Two (anti discrimination)

46:00

Fran Wilde – before tea I was replying to Norm Jones.. I’d like to run through the provisions and schedule of Part Two.. [continues on 0237-B]