Media ID   0207-A (LGRRC #26)    

Interview with Norm Jones (13 November 1985) just prior to the vote allowing the Homosexual Reform Bill to be read a second time, and an interview with Fran Wilde (14 November 1985) on the day after the vote to send the Homosexual Law Reform Bill to it’s Second Reading

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Fran Wilde, Norm Jones

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0207-A (LGRRC #26)



13 November 1985, 14 November 1985



National Programme



National Programme

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Radio New Zealand

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(Old LGRRC cassette)


Sound quality – recorded off the radio


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Extended news item (13 November 1985 - Checkpoint, National Programme) on tactics being used in Parliament to delay the vote on the Homosexual Law Reform Bill



Frances Danaher- Parliamentary debate resumes tonight.. it’ll be the fifth Wednesday evening on the debate.. delaying tactics



Norm Jones – don’t think there’ll be a vote on the second reading tonight.. stalling the Bill.. exercising our democratic right..



Danaher - The Parliamentary process works like this .. [good, brief description] .. so far five amendments have been put forward



Jones – I’ve been counting heads.. eight months down the track.. I’ve got 36 Members against .. Fran Wilde has got 34 Members to vote for.. there are 24/25 Members in between.. pressure from both sides.. some Members may have something to hide..



Jones – I still believe we can win this .. in the next few months there’ll be another seven to twelve AIDS deaths.. this’ll influence Members.. scare tactics.. it’s rough justice.. this is a war.. I’m out to defeat this thing..



Extended news item (14 November 1985 - Checkpoint, National Programme) on the successful vote taken last night in Parliament to send the Homosexual Law Reform Bill to it’s Second Reading.



Frances Danaher – Last night, a vote was called on the second reading of the Homosexual Law Reform Bill.. 47 ayes – 32 noes



Fran Wilde – I was worried that the stalling might hold up the Bill for a few more months.. If all the Members had been present last night the margin would have been even greater..



Wilde – AIDS.. garbage being spoken in the House.. I’m most concerned about AIDS hysteria.. people must know the facts.. we need the co-operation of all public figures..



Danaher – age of consent.. anti discrimination



Wilde – The Committee Stages are going to be complicated because of the amendments .. I’d like to see it go through with no amendments